Curse

Dusk_ · Jul 22, 2005, 06:45 AM // 06:45

I find it slightly pathetic that so many people consider people who get others to run them to high level areas to be cheaters. It's rather pretentious to assume that your way of playing is like the gospel.

Arena.net made this game for the casual player, the person that doesn't spend hours on end working just to get meager tablescraps. Running is just another part of that, a way of cutting the time. Whether you like it or not, not everyone wants to do the same damn quests over and over again.

Before I get people make false assumptions, I have never hired a runner, and I'm religious about finishing quests/missions. I still have an open mind though.

Just my 2 cents.

Ultimate_Gaara · Jul 22, 2005, 06:48 AM // 06:48

i dont think they are cheaters... i think of them as lamers... its not like the first missions are very hard, so why do you need super armor? (that seems to be the answer most people give to the reason they run)

i have never run, i will never run, and i probly will never help anyone run

just my 2 canadian cents

B3H · Jul 22, 2005, 06:52 AM // 06:52

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara

i dont think they are cheaters... i think of them as lamers... its not like the first missions are very hard, so why do you need super armor? (that seems to be the answer most people give to the reason they run)

i have never run, i will never run, and i probly will never help anyone run

just my 2 canadian cents

Wanting to have the ability to own in the comp arenas at low lvls with high lvl armor is just ghey imo

The game was made to not be time extensive like other rpgs. It takes like an hr and a half to reach lions arch ffs.

Haloknight9 · Jul 22, 2005, 07:03 AM // 07:03

Well put dusk. I agree with you fully.

However it seems that for some reason people think that a high level area is hooked to a lower level place for no reason.

Now theres a few points I do agree on thier parts. The lower end people with higher end armor, owning the lower end arenas. Thats 'technically' an exploit. Not the getting of the armor mind you, the use of it in a lower end arena. Which I havent seen yet, but im hearing people complain about it.

As for people running others to droknars that havent played through the game yet I do disagree with. One, becuase they are ruining thier own experience of the game (some people, not all), and two becuase they have not earned it, in my opinion.

But i see no problem with someone thats already played the game with a previous character going on a run to get armor, to help them advance a bit quicker. As you said: "not everyone wants to do the same damn quests over and over again."

I personally like to get ran there so its one less thing i have to worry about as im progressing.

MoebiusLost · Jul 22, 2005, 07:13 AM // 07:13

It is the same as always, people are adamant that they are right. They have closed minds and refuse to fairly consider the alternatives -- too much hard work I suppose.

If somebody has the money, and wants to, who are you to tell them they can't?

They have obviously earned the armor in this example, as they have either worked to get the money, or worked to get there via running themselves.

I find it most often the case that those who speak the loudest against this sort of behavior are either jealous that they didn't do it themselves, or simply angry that everyone doesn't do things their way.

What I find pathetic are the people who insist on treating this game like a job.

ownage of teh elite · Jul 22, 2005, 07:19 AM // 07:19

Well mates, a-net just added a shitload of mobs to the beacons to droknar run. I doubt it will be easier, it is going to be extremely harder. And Im only talking 1/5 of the run!

God knows what else they added?

OmegaTron No0b Ownz0r?

Watersong · Jul 22, 2005, 07:31 AM // 07:31

The persistance of runners will prevail.

Kershent · Jul 22, 2005, 07:32 AM // 07:32

If it's just PvE, fine. If it's PvP, it's cheating. I can't do anything in the lower arenas with my low characters, because I have zero chance of beating someone with Droknar armor. It's very frustrating.

I am Back · Jul 22, 2005, 07:34 AM // 07:34

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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara

i have never run, i will never run, and i probly will never help anyone run

just my 2 canadian cents

sigh.. canadian just kidding just kidding

Rajamic · Jul 22, 2005, 07:35 AM // 07:35

They aren't cheaters, but I think the griefer tag fits.

thestealthcow101 · Jul 22, 2005, 07:37 AM // 07:37

if a level 10 manages to get the normal asking price for runners (2k?), and they can get the money for the armor (17,500G for platemail, 13,300 for knights...dunno bout the others) then so be it.

the only reason i took a run to droknars forge is because a guy was doing a test run, and offering it for free. i dont see those come by often, so i knew i had to take it. i was a level 19, just about 20 at the time, so i don't feel like i've ruined my experience.

Watersong · Jul 22, 2005, 07:39 AM // 07:39

I rushed my monk.

I finished the game with my ranger.

I only went for the skills and armour.

Haloknight9 · Jul 22, 2005, 07:50 AM // 07:50

I apologize about the "they shouldnt if they havent earned it statement"
Sometimes I too make the narrow-minded mistake of not thinking about the way people play games. Some do just to see how fast they can do it and what not, etc.

Thats cool with me.

If they do it to get the armor and compete in lower level arenas. Thats just screwed up.

Yukito Kunisaki · Jul 22, 2005, 08:14 AM // 08:14

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Originally Posted by Haloknight9

I apologize about the "they shouldnt if they havent earned it statement"
Sometimes I too make the narrow-minded mistake of not thinking about the way people play games. Some do just to see how fast they can do it and what not, etc.

Thats cool with me.

If they do it to get the armor and compete in lower level arenas. Thats just screwed up.

OH yeah? How do you compete against someone in the Shiverpeak's lvl 15 max arena using Elites...?

ELITES ffs...

Then the bunghole says, "Skill? Skill says you're dead on the ground..."

Oh yeah, sure... Soo much skill to have someone RUN your sorry-pathetic-must-feel-better-than-others ass to Droknar's Forge... Damn lamers...

I honestly think the game MUST have a pure LOCK on things like using elites in like, the Ascalon arena. For sure if someone can stuff my lvl 15 mes/nec in Shiverpeak's with SPELL BREAKER, someone can do it in Ascalon Arena. Droknar's armor should be lvl 20 for sure. I mean, you already ascended right? Why would the people who ascended care? ^_^ Sanctum Cay runner? That'll force some levels into ya. No lvl 10s I PWNZORS U people...

Feli · Jul 22, 2005, 08:27 AM // 08:27

I don't care if some guy roams the missions with his elite skills and Armor... but hitting the Arena and even be as moronic as to say "well its fair..."
Fair up your ***
People do 0-1 Damage to you and you consider this fair? While you are basically unattackable towards them due to Spellbreaker and other powerful Elites.

Cheating -> Gaining an unfair advantage over everyone else by employing either hacks or exploits. 60 AL+ Armor as a Level 2 is an exploit. Tell me for all you want... it is an exploit. I don't care for the mission because i don't have to compete against it there but i do care about the Arenas. Why should people have a HUGE Advantage just because they completed the game? I've completed it 3 times... now do i have the right to get a max damage weapon and a max def armor for my next Character as soon as he leaves tutorial (which will happen at level 1) and totally "ownzorize!!!!!111oneone!!!!!1111" the Level 10 Arenas?

Most assuredly NOT.
Yes, Droknar runned People in Arenas are plain cheaters. Don't like the sound of that? DON'T CHEAT THEN.

none · Jul 22, 2005, 08:32 AM // 08:32

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Runners = Cheaters?

nope.

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Runners = Griefers?

nope - at least not all of them.

And grieving doesn't have anything todo with exploits. Because you're a griefer if you stand in LA shouting "How are you" every 2 seconds for 10 hours as well. Griefers ruin the game play of others, and since the human mind is so perfect in finding ways to do this, there is no way to stop it. But there is no reason to shut down running either.

The undead Mesmer · Jul 22, 2005, 08:35 AM // 08:35

i disagree with that i yeah i did rushed my ''Warrior'' to droknars forge and i only did it for the armour because i needed a farming character and yes i tryed battling in the ascalon arena with my armour but i still lose

(i am bad in pvp so dont blame me hehe)

i dont think that rushers/the ppl being rushed are cheaters do you like it to do the game 4 times over and over again if you already did it a dozen of times
(atleast i did 8 characters 4 deleted of em >.< so i dont think that they are cheaters.

Aaaaagh · Jul 22, 2005, 08:50 AM // 08:50

Runners are not cheaters, griefers, lamers or any other retarded l33t names you geeks come up with. They are GREAT! I am not one, but I do pay them very regularily. Why? Its not to own newbs in the low level arenas, if you need Drok's armor to win in the lvl 10 arena, well you suck. Normally its because I just want to unlock skills, thats all I care about. Played the PvE portion of the game 5x now to get all of my unlocks. I really enjoyed the first 3 times through, but now I want to pvp. I find the pvp much more rewarding, and pvp characters are much more logical to use then pve. I want unlocks, runners get me my unlocks while saving me many precious hours, my time is valuble. They only charge 3k tops to run you places, I have more money then I will ever spend in this game anyhow. So why not, you nay-sayers, why cant I be run? You dont have to if you dont want to.

In real life do you go around complaining about services you dont use? Alot of people mow lawns for a living. I wouldnt ever hire someone to mow my lawn, it seems lazy and rediculous to me. So, I guess I should be like you and write my legislation to make it so mowing lawn services are illegal and cannot be used.

You nay-sayers, it is YOU who are the lamers. Welcome to reality.

Feli · Jul 22, 2005, 09:43 AM // 09:43

Your "reality" however is shrouded in fairy tale magenta colors.
You don't hit the arenas with your Droknar Armor... up to you... i don't care then.
But if you hit the level 10 Arenas... you're a cheater.
Period, Fact... call it whatever you like. Tell me a reason why this is NO cheating having advantages no one can keep up with that is not cheating as well.

Aaaaagh · Jul 22, 2005, 09:55 AM // 09:55

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Originally Posted by Feli

Your "reality" however is shrouded in fairy tale magenta colors.
You don't hit the arenas with your Droknar Armor... up to you... i don't care then.
But if you hit the level 10 Arenas... you're a cheater.
Period, Fact... call it whatever you like. Tell me a reason why this is NO cheating having advantages no one can keep up with that is not cheating as well.

Well, typically I just dont care about the newb arena, sure I played as a newb, but does anyone experienced do this?

You claim no one can keep up with it? Absolutely anyone can keep up with it, there is no skill involved in buying a droknars (or whatever) run. There is no reason everyone cant do it.